Game Theory: Persona's LOST Shadow... FOUND! (Persona 4)

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  • Published on:  Sunday, April 8, 2018
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    Persona 5 took critics and gamers by storm - but what about the rest of the series? Persona 4 was an AMAZING game and, looking back at it, I had one BIG QUESTION. Where is our Shadow? The main character that you play as is the only one to not have a Shadow - EXCEPT that they DO! Today Theorists, I am going to expose the BIGGEST SECRET of the Persona series - YOUR SHADOW!!

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  • The Game Theorists

    The Game Theorists

     a years ago +5207

    I'm sorry. I screwed up with this one. In a few facts and details, certainly, but also in ways that I didn't expect when writing it. And I don't want things to be taken the wrong way, so please, let me clarify:

    First, the intro was not intended to make fun of or belittle the fanbase of Persona in any way, and I'm sorry if it came across as mean spirited. Being protective of a franchise isn't a bad thing. I know from doing episodes on franchises like Dark Souls that there are just fanbases who are more amenable to theorizing than others and by choosing this episode, no matter what I would say, it would make some people angry (even if the facts had all been straight, which again, some weren't). I wrote that intro trying to play up the joke that it was a video no one would like, and in the process, I created a self-fulfilling prophesy that offended people and I'm sorry about that. It's never my intent to offend people. Maybe poke fun of in a joking way or call out for bad behavior (some other YouTubers), but it's never my goal to offend a group of people for liking what they like -- I'm sorry if it came off that way.

    Second, I clearly didn't go deep enough or understand everything as clearly as I thought I did. As with the Phoenix Wright episode (another misjudgment on my part), I thought this game would function well-enough as a stand-alone title, but clearly there were added details in other games as well as supplemental content that I just didn't take into consideration. There were a few facts in this one that I either forgot to double check because I assumed I knew them off the top of my head (Elizabeth) or I could have explained better (Izanami). Again, I should have gone deeper, but time constraints and thinking I had covered all the necessary ground made me stop looking when clearly I should have kept digging.

    Third, sorry for being defensive. My life this past weekend was incredibly stressful and sad, so having a video receive a heavy backlash in the middle of it all was the last thing I needed, which resulted in me losing my head. Please remember that I receive hundreds of comments every day telling me how awful I am as a person and how I should die because I said X about Y character and that 99% of the time I let it run off me, but sometimes it just gets to you. This weekend was one of those times, so I ask you to forgive that brief saltiness.

    And lastly, regarding how I handle criticism, I want you to know that I'm listening. All the time. I read the comments, and yes, I don't respond a lot because when I have in the past, people have taken my responses the wrong way. Instead, I take your comments to heart and try to adjust the programming and scripts on the channel accordingly. Heck, this whole episode was in an effort to try and address some people who were tired of hearing about the same franchises over and over again.

    It's a bit of a Catch-22. My policy always was "Read the criticism and make changes to the series based on the feedback, but never directly call it out." That only prompted a lot of backlash of people saying "He doesn't acknowledge criticism." So, I've tried addressing negativity in a public way, but people criticized me for doing that too saying I was "bad at taking criticism" because I did that. It often feels like a lose-lose situation.

    Just know that I'm not writing this to be defensive, but to sincerely apologize for the mistakes in this video, the lack of clarity in some of the jokes, and to promise you that I will continue to work at getting better about all these issues. - MatPat

  • It Wasn't Funny The First Time

    It Wasn't Funny The First Time

     6 hours ago


  • Micro Gamer

    Micro Gamer


    Did Igor English VA change from persona 4 to 5

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  • Yamilix Figueroa

    Yamilix Figueroa

     7 days ago

    I was born in 2003

  • Stephen Venture

    Stephen Venture

     7 days ago


  • Alice 'Rikky'

    Alice 'Rikky'

     7 days ago

    "The fandom will get triggered"
    Me: "ahah, no, I'm fine with..."
    "The protagonist's name is Yu Narukami as we discover from the animation"
    Me: " are right I'm already triggered by the fact that you call him with the animation name instead of calling him HERO as the game canonically address him =___="

  • A Lonley Raven

    A Lonley Raven

     7 days ago

    Yu accepts every inch of himself so he has no shadow to fight

  • MegaMattGreninja


     14 days ago

    i love how the vid is about persona 4 but has a bunch of persona 5 stuff in it!! btw great vid as always mat

  • Zachary K

    Zachary K

     14 days ago

  • Zachary K

    Zachary K

     14 days ago

    He does have a shadow that is shown in one of the ending

  • Mattias Saville

    Mattias Saville

     14 days ago

    How dose Tettie had a shadow?

  • firewhistle5220 cool

    firewhistle5220 cool

     14 days ago

    Adachi actually

  • Echo the silent

    Echo the silent

     14 days ago +1

    I know almost nothing about the persona series but I clicked on the video.

  • The Face of Chlo

    The Face of Chlo

     14 days ago

    The biggest disappointment about this theory was that it not only showed me how totally right you are about the Persona fanbase but also mislead me to believe that Teddie was a likeable character

  • King Jester

    King Jester

     21 days ago

    I'll never hate even if your wrong

  • Chicken Of Ages

    Chicken Of Ages

     21 days ago

    I wish P5 wasnt a PS exclusive

  • Dragon Gamer Red

    Dragon Gamer Red

     21 days ago

    is there an anime to Persona 4 if so I think I found his shadow is Copycat shadow I don't know we never see his real shadow so I know so he is correct on that

  • Jakob Bob

    Jakob Bob

     21 days ago +1


  • heart gaming

    heart gaming

     21 days ago

    I'm a big fan of game theory and even I did not know about this and I watch 5 year of this channel